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Why I disappeared from dA

Journal Entry: Wed Nov 9, 2011, 6:50 PM


Simply put, I do not agree with the direction this site has been heading. I do pop on here occasionally to show my stuff and other tomfoolery, but for the most part I've grown distant from deviantART. That's not to say that I think this site is "bad" or anything, but it has become clear to me that the priorities of the site are not in line with what I am looking for in a community.

One example? The dA T-shirt design contest. This is an example of speculative work. These "calls for entries" offer absolutely no benefit whatsoever to the entrants who aren't selected as finalists. And as I look this over, I realize that many of these contests run by deviantART are just that - speculative work. Companies get to pick and choose from the hard work done by hundreds if not thousands of artists and designers, and best of all, they don't have to pay anyone whose work they don't select.

My first few months in the world of a creative professional have been treacherous. Between spec work and unpaid internships, I haven't had much of a chance to do anything that actually nets me any income. I've been fortunate to snag a job working at an art supply store (the Plaza Art in Silver Spring, MD, starting in January) but aside from that I might have ended up flipping hamburgers at Wendy's or stocking shelves at Target to put some cash in my pocket.

But I digress.

Spec work is a cancer in the world of creative professionals. It makes it much more difficult for people who intend to make a living from their creative skills because they have to compete with other people who are working for free - so they essentially have to work for free as well. Nobody benefits - except for the companies giving out the spec work, of course. But it's a messed-up approach. Would you get in contact with a dozen contractors and have them all build houses for you, then only pay the contractor who builds the house that you ultimately decide to purchase? Of course not. Why should it be any different for creative professionals?

I figured dA would at least be a bit less shameless in how it would go about promoting such blatant calls for speculative work, but when I logged in today it was right there smack on the top of the page. Calling it a "challenge" or "contest" doesn't make it any less an example of spec work.

So instead of going on a "rah-rah" rant or taking my grievances publicly to the forums or the Journals of the admins, I've decided to simply remove myself from the community for the time being. I refuse to be a bobblehead while this site promotes and actively engages in practices that ultimately harm the community of creative professionals.

Stay classy, folks.
-DC

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:iconlaurart:
100 % fair enough. I'm glad you won't deactivate though. I hate it when people do that :shakefist:

Good luck with everything :hug:
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:icontiberx:
Hear Hear! As far as "Spec Art" is concerned I couldn't agree with you more. I have been burned with this before by companies that lead me to believe that they we're interested in my work only to find out when it was time to hammer out a contract that they where asking a number of other artists to do the same thing and then they would chose the best one. The one they would pick would be the Only one to get paid.
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:iconportheiusj:
~portheiusJ Dec 2, 2011  Student Artist
I actually really agree with pretty much everything you've said. It's why I think most people end up going to tumblr or other blog sites...

and then end up posting about just as much non-art stuff as the art. :\
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:iconatomiccheese:
I too must play Devil's advocate and add to what Doomsday said.

Contrary to the romantic view of art & artists, they are a very cutthroat bunch. Just look at all the theft and price-undercutting.

Contests & speculative sites are "at will." You can enter or not. A reasonable person knows the odds are long for any return. The odds are longer in if you don't enter.

Yes, the greedy sponsors could get designs at a reduced rate. Consider tho: They could have just commissioned an artist they liked for a few hundred bucks. Instead they presented others w/ an opportunity, they created a buzz, they are exposed to many new designs. Often the contests are more costly to run than it would be to just pay a single artist.

What is the benefit to the losers? Well, that is an odd perspective. Why should you expect to benefit merely for trying? Contrary to what many schools teach: we are not all winners. It is a competition with very small chance of winning - even if you are an excellent artist. Nobody demands that you enter. You must do a risk/reward analysis: Is the small chance of winning worth my time?

Regardless, the benefits to the losers are: Exactly what DA is all about- promoting your work and exposure. Practice. Fun. Inspiration. Learning.

And finally, why is it bad for DA to profit the same way you want to profit? Should they run the site for a loss? DA is always updating & improving and provides "free" galleries to anyone. Free things actually cost money. I think they do a decent job promoting artists. The bigger & more profitable DA becomes the more "free" and other services they can offer artists. We all benefit.
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:icongiadrosich:
~giadrosich Nov 13, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
It' been happening for years, but seems to have been on a high-speed rail for the last year or so. Personally, I never enter contests, having come to the same conclusion as yourself. Another reason being is that I simply don't have the time to produce "spec" work for a contest. The Steve Jobs contest left a very bad taste in my mouth, which is surprising because the whole idea was tasteless. And slightly crude, but hey, that's just my opinion.

People join contests for a lot of different reasons. The prizes, bragging rights, etc. Me? Don't need the prizes, and don't need to brag.

But, you are correct, in that "commercial is as commercial does." There are a few reasons why I'm here, the first being that I know so many folks and a good way to keep in contact. The second is because it is one of the few western networking sites that is not blocked in mainland China, lol.

:thumbsup: :D
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:iconspacecowboy76:
~spacecowboy76 Nov 13, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Would you get in contact with a dozen contractors and have them all build houses for you, then only pay the contractor who builds the house that you ultimately decide to purchase?

Sure I would!
If I could get away with it.
:evillaugh:

Which is exactly what DA is up too. And it doesn't surprise me. Unfortunately this is the wave of the future - think of who is getting rich off of the net. Amazon. Ebay. Facebook. DA. None of the companies actually create anything. Instead they thrive on people bringing stuff to them and then entertaining other people with it across their platforms. This sucks for you and I but unfortunately I don't see an alternative. That's why I keep coming back to DA. It beats elfwood.
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:iconkris-13:
Deviant Art doesn't care about the artists on the site. They care about the money in their pocket. All the little anime goons and fur-tards get their panties wet for these contests. This website is a joke. Look at all the shit on here. Exhibitionists posting naked pictures of themselves that they've taken with their shit nokia cell phones from 2006. So much "anime" and "fan art" that actually weeding through recent work becomes painful and ridiculous.

As a professional artists I'm embarrassed to have an account here. The only reason I haven't deleted it yet is that I'm too damn lazy and It can't be found through searching my real name online anyway.
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:iconjusticefrog:
~justicefrog Nov 11, 2011  Professional General Artist
You've touched on the point that is exactly what is wrong with sites like 99designs.com as well.

Once upon a time, people valued the time and effort put into art. Once upon a time, people would pay artists and designers to create work, and then if the client wasn't satisfied.....(gasp) they would then pay the artist a little extra to create a revision. It's almost like we don't live in that kind of world anymore, where people everywhere want something for NOTHING. Quantity versus quality. No matter how much AWESOME you put into an illustration, unless the client can sell t-shirts and coffee mugs with it.... the drawing alone by itself just doesn't seem good enough anymore. Being an illustrator is harder than ever these days.
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:icondizzyhellfire:
meh... I dont even bother cause I know they wont pick me. and I dont do the photography cause again not enough people see me to care. my photography account might have a chance but I seriously doubt it. I havent even had any inspiration to draw at all! I just have no drawing ideas in my head. its like my imagination had a shut down moment.

and you are back in the DC/ Montgomery County area? Sweet!! if I had monies I would go and hang out with people.
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